It’s like driving a car with no brakes, you know? If you’ve got a really fast road, it’s fantastically thrilling but the problem is that these guys - and one of these guys actually said this to me when I interviewed him, he said, “You know, what you’re saying is the car’s too good for the road,” and it’s very true. These are guys with no moral brakes, okay? They are ruthless, they are fearless, they are focused and mentally tough and for obvious reasons but the vibe that you get when you’re around psychopaths is very similar to the vibe you get around Special Forces soldiers and that there is - don’t get me wrong here, there’s - a real sense of positivity, of anything’s possible. I’ve also done quite a lot of work with Special Forces soldiers, many of whom who are actually along the psychopathic spectrum, quite far along the psychopathic spectrum. They do have an aura and it’s the same aura. Kevin Dutton: Okay, when you’re around these guys there is a really palpable vibe.
Kevin Dutton: Yeah, that’s a fair point, yeah. Hall: because I thought it might throw me off my game. Hall: I’ve - I’ve, like I said, I’ve watched some documentaries, read some books, transcripts of interviews but I didn’t seek out any actual psychopaths. Kevin Dutton: A lot of people say to me, “Well, what’s it like being around a psychopath?” Now you’ve been around, you’ve done your research and you’ve been around some of these - some of these - guys. Again, the Rubin specializes in the art and culture of Himalayan Asia, which is why Buddhist issues come up in the context of the conversation. You’ll also hear Tim McHenry, the Rubin’s Director of Public Programs and Performance. Hall, TV’s blood-spatter expert and suppressor, Dexter, recorded at the Rubin Museum of Art in New York City. Welcome back for Part 2 of the conversation between psychologist and author Kevin Dutton and actor Michael C.
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